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 “Not For Hire” is Not Enough – How the ELD Mandate Will Impact the Horse Industry

As a breeder, owner, trainer or competitor in the horse industry, it is important to understand the implications of the ELD Mandate that will be hitting the transportation industry in December of 2017.  The facts are that unless we all speak up you may be required to install an electronic logging device (ELD) in your truck.

There are some exemptions in place for farm or agricultural hauling where an ELD would not be required.  However, many of the rigs used for hauling horses and the activities horse owners participate in, especially those that frequently travel to horse shows, fall outside the allowed exemptions.

What is the ELD Mandate?

In 2012, President Obama signed  the bill “Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century.   A part of this bill included a provision requiring the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Act (FMCSA) to develop a rule mandating the use of electronic logging devices (ELDs) on commercial vehicles.

Do we have to comply since we are hauling horses, not cattle or other livestock?

Yes, horses are livestock and are specifically listed in the transportation bill language.   It is not just the horse industry that is facing the ELD Mandate.  Families that show cattle, pigs and other livestock and travel long distances to show and compete will be impacted as well.   It will also impact any other type of activity or hobby that requires a large vehicle and trailer and where there is the potential to win money in competitions.   The ELD Mandate requires that your vehicle must be fitted with a device under the following conditions:

  • Your vehicle is a commercial vehicle (see below)
  • Your activities fall outside of the exemptions allowed for agriculture and livestock transportation. Most who show horses will fall outside of the exemption requirements.  (see below)
  • You are required to obtain a Commercial Driver’s License due to the weight of your truck and trailer (see below)

 

 The “Not For Hire” myth:

It is not uncommon to see “Not For Hire” graphics on trucks and horse trailers.  The idea behind this is to avoid certain Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) regulations.   This is an old fable that does not protect those hauling horses from fines for non-compliance.   A “Not For Hire” sign on your rig will not protect you if it is determined that your truck and trailer fit into the commercial category or are being used for commercial purposes.  Nor will it protect you if you are driving a vehicle and trailer that requires a commercial license.

A recreational vehicle exemption does not always apply:

Living quarters horse trailers can be classified as recreational vehicles for private use.  This classification exempts both the truck and trailer from being considered commercial as well as the requirements for the driver to obtain a commercial driver’s license.   However, if an officer or inspector determines that the truck and trailer is being used in “furtherance of a commercial enterprise”, then the driver and vehicle are out of compliance with FMCSA regulations which can result in fines and being detained for an extended period.  For example, we have been made aware of situations where the owners of truck and trailers stopped by the Highway Patrol or other inspectors, were required to both obtain a Department of Transportation (DOT) number for their vehicle, and find a driver with a commercial driver’s license in order to resume their trip.  In these cases, once the ELD Mandate is in effect, the drivers could also have been required to purchase and install an ELD unit. (see below for clarification about the meaning of “furtherance of a commercial enterprise”)

 What does an ELD do?

The ELD or electronic logging device synchronizes with the engine of a vehicle and keeps track of hours of service.  It logs driving time, vehicle speed, routes, and keeps track of mandated rest periods as well as other data points.    Once the vehicle is in motion and reaches 5 miles per hour, the ELD keeps track of time for the next 14 hours – nonstop.   Under the standard ELD regulations, there are no provisions to account for traffic, fueling, or loading and unloading.  In those 14 hours, drivers are only allowed to drive for 11 hours.  Because of this, drivers are forced to drive as much as they can during the 14 hours once the clock on the ELD starts.

 

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Ten-hour rest period:

When the 14-hour limit has been reached, the ELD indicates to the driver that they must stop and “rest” for 10 consecutive hours.  The ELD keeps track of any “infractions” – that is, going over the 14 hours as well as vehicle speed – and has reporting functions so inspectors can review the logs and fine drivers for infractions from days past.   This means that those hauling horses will be required to stop their trip once the 14-hour threshold is reached and cannot resume travel until the 10-hour rest period has passed.  If the threshold is breached, the ELD makes a record that can be reviewed by authorities and you can be fined.

Have you noticed in the last several years all of the trucks that are parked along the side of the road? Have you noticed that on and off ramps and picnic and rest areas are sometimes filled up with trucks?  Those typically are drivers that have reached their limit and have to immediately find a place to park their trucks to avoid costly violations.  If you are required to install an ELD for your truck and horse trailer, this could easily happen to you too.

 

Mandated breaks:

According to the Hours of Service outlined in the Federal Motor Carriers Safety Administration rules, rest breaks are mandatory in addition to the ten-hour rest period.  Commercial drivers are required to take a 30-minute break within the 11 hour driving period and cannot go past 8 hours without taking a break.  This mandatory break is calculated from when the vehicle starts moving and is tracked by the ELD.  It does not take into account any other stops or breaks that may have occurred within the 8-hour time period.   The break must be 30 consecutive minutes.  A driver cannot substitute the 30-minute break with a 10-minute break and later a 20-minute break.   There is no getting around this as the ELD records and stores the 30 consecutive minute break periods and will subject the driver to penalty for a rule violation upon inspection.  Additionally, the 30-minute break is included in the 14-hour time limit.

 

What constitutes a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) classification?

  • Are you writing off your truck or trailer as a business loss or expense on your tax returns? Tax write offs for your truck and trailer would make them fall under the commercial classification.
  • Are your truck and/or trailer being used for your business? If your truck or trailer is being used for your business, they fall under the commercial classification.  If you are a trainer, your truck and trailer is used for business, there’s no doubt about it.  If you are a non-pro or amateur competitor, your truck and trailer can be considered as used for business (see “furtherance of a commercial enterprise” explanation below).  If you are a non-pro or amateur and breed horses and sell them, your truck and trailer are considered as used for business.
  • Do you only haul your own horses? If not and if you collect payment, (for example splitting fuel costs) to haul a friend or client’s horse to a show, to the trainer, to the vet, or to the breeder, your truck and trailer are considered commercial vehicles.
  • Have you won money competing with your horse or a client’s horse? Even though most often competing with horses is not profitable for a non-pro when calculating all the costs, the FMCSA could consider money won at a horse show or event, a profit.  They can also consider hauling to an event with the intent or hopes of winning some money, as pursuing a profit. This definition of “profit” then classifies your truck and trailer as commercial.
  • Do you have sponsors? Do you have their stickers on your truck or trailer?  Just about everyone knows a roper, rodeo or horse show contestant who has a “day job” (horseshoer as an example) that spends part of their time traveling to events to compete.  In many cases, especially with rodeo events, (some associations have strict rules about sponsorships and others do not) they also have sponsors, whether its ropes, saddle pads, clothing or other equipment.  Those sponsorships qualify as “furtherance of a commercial enterprise” and then puts them in the commercial category.
  • If your vehicle has a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of more than 10,000 pounds and is used for your business or with the intent to make a profit (see “furtherance of a commercial enterprise” below”), or involved in interstate commerce, like going to horse shows out of your home state, it then falls into the commercial vehicle classification by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA).

What “furtherance of a commercial enterprise” means:

The FMCSA rule has some language that is far reaching with significant ramifications for horse enthusiasts.  The category “furtherance of a commercial enterprise” is one of the qualifications considered when determining whether a driver and their truck and trailer fall under the commercial classification and apply to the scenarios we have listed above.  Here’s the information as outlined on the FMCSA website’s Q&A section:

Question 21: Does the exemption in §390.3(f)(3) for the “occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise” apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?

Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e., (a) prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (b) the cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes; and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licensure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are subject.”

 

Do I need a Commercial Driver’s License?

Your truck and trailer can be considered a commercial vehicle without the requirement that you obtain a Commercial Driver’s License (CDL).  However, you will need to obtain a CDL if your vehicle fits the following categories:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds. For example, if your dually has a GVWR of 10,000 pounds and your horse trailer has a GVWR more than 16,000 pounds, a commercial license is required.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds.

What is the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating)?

  • The GVWR is the value specified by the manufacturer as the maximum loaded weight of a single vehicle or combination of vehicles, or the registered gross weight.

What is the GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating)?

  • The GCWR is the value specified by the manufacturer as the GVWR of the power unit plus the GVWR of the towed unit or units, or the combined registered weight of the power unit plus the towed unit(s). The GCWR includes the passengers and cargo in the tow vehicle, plus the weight of the trailer and cargo in the trailer.

What are the ongoing requirements for a Commercial Driver’s License?

After passing the written and driving examination for a commercial license, including other steps such as a special medical examination, drug testing, and vehicle inspections, there are ongoing requirements for driving a vehicle that fall under the commercial classification.  Each state has their own set of regulations in addition to the federal code so it is important to understand the laws in your state in regards to a commercial license.

Do I need to have a Department of Transportation (DOT) number?

Your vehicle may require a USDOT (Federal) number if your vehicle and travel meet the following conditions:

  • Your truck and trailer are considered commercial vehicles. This applies if you use your truck and trailer for business or for “furtherance of a commercial enterprise” (see above).
  • The GVWR is over 10,000 pounds
  • AND if you travel into other states

Depending on the state in which you live, you may also be required to obtain a State DOT if your truck and trailer are considered commercial vehicles.

HOS or Hours of Service:

Most drivers of commercial vehicles must comply with Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) Hours of Service.

Hours of Service require that drivers can only be on the road for 11 hours of a 14 hour shift.  However, with the ELD, and the fact that the machines start recording time from the moment wheels move past 5 miles per hour, drivers are not able to make allowances for traffic, loading and unloading, and taking a longer rest, or breaking up rest time.

There are some exceptions to compliance with Hours of Service.  They are listed below.

ROD or Record of Duty:

The Record of Duty (ROD) is a log book that every driver of a commercial vehicle must maintain and keep on file for 6 months.  The following information must be logged into the ROD:

  • The status for each 24-hour period
  • Time must be recorded in duplicate
  • Time for Off Duty
  • Driving Time
  • Time spent sleeping
  • Time on duty but not driving
  • Each change in duty status that is recorded on the log must also include the name of the city/town/village and state.
  • Other supporting documentation must also be maintained to coincide with the ROD (log book) these include toll receipts, fuel receipts, and other documentation.

 

If you have a commercial vehicle and your activities fall outside of the exemptions for farming and agriculture, you will be required to install an ELD

 

 

 

 

If you have a Commercial Driver’s License and therefore   are required to follow the Hours of Service and keep a Record of Duty, you will be required to install an ELD

 

Are there situations where we are not required to follow the Hours of Service (HOS) or install an ELD?

 

Agricultural Use:

Drivers transporting ‘agricultural commodities,’ including livestock, are exempt from the Hours of Service regulations while operating within 150 air-miles of the source of such commodities. Vehicles and drivers are exempt if they are not:

  • Hauling farther away than 150 miles and not more than 8 days in a 30 day period. To put this in perspective, if you travel to a horse show, and are driving more than 150 miles to reach the show grounds, your trip there and back counts as driving days.  If you stay in a hotel instead of on the showgrounds, any driving to the show grounds counts as days.  In this light, it is pretty easy to consume the 8 days in a 30 day period if you attend more than one horse show during that time, or go to horse shows that last an extended period of time.  If you are traveling to horse shows frequently, and drive a dually with a 4+ horse trailer, you are more than likely to fall into the classification where an ELD is required on your vehicle.
  • Drivers of vehicles manufactured before 2000 are not required to implement an ELD.
  • Drivers will be required to use an ELD if they use a paper log more than 8 times in a rolling 30 day period. (Exceed 12 hours or more than 100 air miles from terminal).  Once a driver has exceeded that threshold, they’ll have to drive an ELD equipped truck until their 30 day record drops to 8 or less paper log events.

 Short Haul:

Short haul vehicles are exempt from the ELD Mandate.  There are a few key components required to meet the FMCSA definition for short haul.

You must:

  • Start and return to same location within 12 hours of duty time
  • Drive no more than 11 hours
  • Have ten consecutive hours off between shifts
  • Maintain your time clock function. Meaning, employees who are on the clock, punching in and out for work.
  • Not exceed a 100-mile radius from your starting location

What can we do about this government overreach?

Representatives from Protect The Harvest as well as Lucas Oil have been working hard to bring these issues to light.  In addition to sharing information, we have made trips to Washington DC to meet with lawmakers.  There are other groups that have also been sounding the alarm about the ELD Mandate.

We need to do more and we need your help.  If you have concerns about how the ELD Mandate and other regulations will impact your business or enjoying horses as a hobby, the time is now to act.  Make sure to let others know about what is coming up.  Share information and encourage others to do so as well. Get your local clubs and groups involved too.   Most importantly, contact your Congressional Representative and let them know your concerns.   They have heard from group representatives, now they need to hear from individuals, as many as possible.   If we don’t act now, soon many of us including those that simply enjoy showing animals, or other hobbies that require a truck and trailer, will be required to install electronic logging devices on our vehicles.

 

 

 

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42 Comments

    • Its time for every one to shut down this industry, this rediculice the goverment is putting this on the american citizens. I will never vote another Democrat into officeas long as I live. ALL THEY WANT IS CONTROL, control control control

      Carl
      November 30, 2017, @ 6:42 am Reply
      • Don’t blame the De.ocrats, the GOP passed it they were in control and it was probably thrown in with another bill. Now Republicans are enforcing it and using loopholes to go after horse owners.most likely.

        Carolyn Gohlike
        December 11, 2017, @ 8:04 pm Reply
        • Obama signed it……………..

          MJN
          December 30, 2017, @ 3:03 am Reply
        • Blame the Democrats for this one. Liberal Democrats occupy mostly urban areas and their representatives seldom give a damn about horse owners.

          Lisa Doczi-Cohen
          January 5, 2018, @ 8:24 pm Reply
      • Sponsor: Rep. Mica, John L. [R-FL-7] (Introduced 04/16/2012) a republican introduced the bill 186 congressional republicans voted yea on the bill. While two dozen republican senators voted for the bill to become law.

        Kelly
        January 7, 2018, @ 7:25 pm Reply
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    • If it wasn’t for us cowboys and farmers you all would not eat. We are well under paid and over worked, but we do it because, we love what we do and it is an honest living. The people in law enforcement, should go after the real criminals. You all have a badge and here lately its just for show. You all need to earn your keep or try to get a real job. But you can’t even do what you all chose to do. But most men that are scared, do the what is easier to collect a check. If they would after the drug related criminals, they wouldn’t have to go after the poor working man. But that’s easy money. Us cowboys have a word for that, it’s cowards. Co

      cowman
      November 30, 2017, @ 8:31 pm Reply
    • Just unbelievable. So much for being able to enjoy a hobby that keeps me sane. Seriously, I am considered commercial because a friend and I haul to a horse show, out of state, a couple of times a year!!??? Guess I will either have to give it up, take my chances or just don’t go out of state.

      Leslie G
      December 1, 2017, @ 5:02 pm Reply
    • It is unfair and not right for the horse cattle and farming Industries to have to take hits like this when they have obligations to their animals and the people that depend on them..

      Robert Kubecka
      December 2, 2017, @ 7:54 pm Reply
    • DO you have a form email we can send to our representatives?

      Patrick
      December 3, 2017, @ 5:52 am Reply
    • The leaches of Washington and all the states should have to go hungry besides we should turn the wolves on them instead of us hiding from the wolves. Maybe the liberals will get caught out behind the barn.

      Vernon
      December 5, 2017, @ 6:08 pm Reply
    • This is unjust & unfair to horse owners! Thanks Mr. Obama!

      Barbara Jean
      December 6, 2017, @ 5:20 am Reply
      • Thank Sponsor: Rep. Mica, John L. [R-FL-7] (Introduced 04/16/2012) for introducing the bill.

        Kelly
        January 7, 2018, @ 7:27 pm Reply
    • What about all the FFA & 4H kids! Nuts

      Sue
      December 6, 2017, @ 6:57 pm Reply
      • We haul 4h youth to small shows with horses. We are volunteer leaders and also have to pay a fee for that. Sometimes I even like to show. But we strickly do this volunteerly for the youth that otherwise would not be able to. This was to teach them, hopefully to become better adults, learn to help others and enjoy a small hobby that was good and fun. All this to haul horses is wrong to enforce on a small time horse owner and 4h leader. These kids are our future and to install such a block on those who try to help is cruel and also unreal to do to the animals. I don’t haul long distances, but for those that do, making an animal stand in a trailer while it has to take its break is cruelity to the animal. The horse industry has suffered enough and has gone down so much in the last few years. This will kill it if it is not stopped. This had been a wonderful hobby for adults and youth that you are taking away with these rules. The end of a good recreational hobby, sport.

        Deborah L
        January 6, 2018, @ 6:18 am Reply
        • If you are strictly volunteers then this will probably not affect you.

          Dorn Hetzel
          March 1, 2018, @ 1:05 pm Reply
    • Does anyone know who the person was that thought this bill up and presented it to be voted on ( what a smart person,or persons) and how much under the table were they paid It is very evident they or them have a real personal problem with horse activities. Do you think they have to much idle time,dont you know the cops will enjoy this one.

      Jim

      Jim Troxell
      December 7, 2017, @ 11:55 pm Reply
      • That is very easy to google it was Sponsor: Rep. Mica, John L. [R-FL-7] (Introduced 04/16/2012)

        Kelly
        January 7, 2018, @ 7:29 pm Reply
    • thank you for the information , do I and or we need to apply for an exection and where . tk u

      r j bradford
      December 23, 2017, @ 11:09 pm Reply
    • I only haul my horses to go trail riding sometimes and once in a while a horse show, usually just ribbon events, not money..does this mean I still have to get a CDL? I am a horse breeder and do claim all of my expenses for running my farm, but does that mean I can’t enjoy the fruits of my labor without having to pay huge prices for a CDL to haul about 6 times a year?

      Darlene
      January 4, 2018, @ 7:35 pm Reply
      • In a nutshell, yes you are a CMV (see the guidance statement below; your dedutions will cause you to have to comply.

        What “furtherance of a commercial enterprise” means:

        The FMCSA rule has some language that is far reaching with significant ramifications for horse enthusiasts. The category “furtherance of a commercial enterprise” is one of the qualifications considered when determining whether a driver and their truck and trailer fall under the commercial classification and apply to the scenarios we have listed above. Here’s the information as outlined on the FMCSA website’s Q&A section:

        “ Question 21: Does the exemption in §390.3(f)(3) for the “occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise” apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?

        Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e., (a) prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (b) the cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes; and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licensure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are subject.”

        skip
        January 10, 2018, @ 7:44 pm Reply
    • What if their are multiple operators of a vehicle.
      Do the driving time restrictions apply?

      Rik R.
      January 5, 2018, @ 12:10 pm Reply
      • That’s what I was wondering. Most people hauling to shows/rodeos/eventing/trail riding are driving with others. When we’d go to Tulsa for the Youth World every summer when I was a kid, everyone who could legally drive took a turn. We took numerous long breaks (like 4 hours driving, 2 hours unloaded and horses and people resting). And then we’d load up and head back out, with someone new in the driver’s seat rested and ready to go.

        Sarah
        January 22, 2018, @ 5:09 pm Reply
    • I SOMETIMES, TRANSPORT MY HORSES AROUND TEXAS, SUCH AS TO THE CLINICS, ETC,ETC, & SOMETIMES GHO OUT OF STATE, I IN ALL WITH TRUCK & TRAILER IS LESS THAN 26,000 POUNDS, DO I NEED A COMMERCIAL LICENSE, & INSTALL AN ELF, A VERY WORRIED TEXAN!!

      Carlos
      January 6, 2018, @ 8:20 am Reply
    • If this is put in place I will have to find a new job. I haul my horse to my job at the sale barn –(intent to make money) We deduct our truck/trailer expenses as business expense as we run cattle, my husband hauls to ropings several times per year ( intent to make money) My part time job on sale days doesn’t pay enough for me to have to obtain a CDL. implement all the requirements etc.
      My husband does carry a CDL so his license is ok but under these new rules we would fall under the Commercial Motor Vehicle requirements. We are a small rancher trying to make some money – we have a hobby that on occasion, when money is won, that would fall under the intent to make money.
      This is going to cripple the rancher/farmer/working man because someone sitting in a urban office/home thought this was a good way to make the highway safe? Go after the texting drivers! They have caused more accidents than your truck / trailer haulers.

      Nancy Marshall
      January 6, 2018, @ 5:44 pm Reply
      • There is a ton of exemptions for farm/ranch vehicles that are tagged farm tag. We sound very similar, our rig is under 26k, so we are exempt from everything but a DOT number and required working equipment, which is just normal items anyway.

        LMiser
        February 12, 2018, @ 11:32 pm Reply
    • I am a little confused about your interpretation relating to horse show travels and days… how would driving days for the month count when you are traveling back and forth from a motel while at the horse show… you are not hauling anything…you are not bringing your trailer or your animals to the hotel…I think you may have ‘stretched’ your interpretation and I hope not for the sake of effect. I’d like to see from numbers/statistics relating to numbers of accidents over the last 10 years involving agricultural vehicles including any involving horse trailers. I’d also like to see stats that show accident numbers comparing number of accidents with increased rules/regs/restrictions, numbers of licensed vehicles of the same.
      I think the mandate on time restrictions for driving only serves to encourage drivers to drive faster in order to get make up for the miles they are falling behind by not being able to drive for periods of time….also true with the 11 hr driving breaks. Also, are they going to next require speed regulators on vehicles so that they can’t go above a certain speed…I use my truck to haul horses but it also my only means of transportation. Would that mean that I could never go 80 mph when out west on vacation travels?
      I think of the $$ associated with this mandate…costs associated with downtime, housing and feeding of animals during the downtime, costs for time lost for record keeping, expense to pay for enforcement (increasing governmental spending and increasing taxes) …who’s going to be supplying their income tax reports to the DOT? This is just crazy complicated…
      When it comes to accidents on the hwy, I have seen more involving rental vans and trailers and the 50 ft. motor homes with drivers that have no experience what so ever driving trailers or trucks or buses.
      Just my thoughts…

      Deanna Parsons
      January 6, 2018, @ 8:39 pm Reply
    • I have a living quarters trailer and I and I do need truck and then I plan on doing nothing but recreational with this horse trailer for the horse trailer or a horse riding in and I had not to other states possible but wasn’t looking forward to having to get a CDL license which I’m not happy if this is the case

      Michael Daleiden
      January 6, 2018, @ 10:07 pm Reply
    • It puts just more financial burden on horse industry. We have been pulling living quarter trailer for 30 yrs with no issues. It’s just more government control over our lives. We are not for hire and usually several people taking turns driving so how will you log that!? Please use common sense and exempt people who haul for rodeo and 4H just makes no sense!

      Patti Albrecht
      January 9, 2018, @ 6:50 pm Reply
    • This is not right to do to the American small business and horse business. I hope that we can change this to make it right

      Travis Fellenz
      January 10, 2018, @ 1:19 am Reply
    • The effects of this mandate are going to be devastating to horse businesses. I know a lot of smaller horse businesses that their hauling vehicle is their only vehicle and used for everyday use or. Picking up feed and supplies, or having part time jobs to help make ends meet.

      MJ
      January 11, 2018, @ 3:26 pm Reply
    • Shows don’t pay enough prise money to cover fuel, anymore, if any money is paid. It’s a hobby, not a business, for most.
      If you cant sell a horse, and have to take to a sell Orr go to a promotion sale, it’s not for profit….
      This is out of control, outrageous for the family farms, small business and or
      the hobby Sport.
      Horses, cattle, pigs, goats and all farm animals are in danger of market flooded, everyone throwing in the towel
      Because of this extra cost.. happy or sport, is not a government control problem. The problem is with, the cars and trucks running into our trailers, cutting us off etc. Taking our stopping room.
      Most livestock handlers, are better drivers than any 4 wheeler drivers.
      Don’t take our food off the American table

      Nancy
      January 12, 2018, @ 12:42 am Reply
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    • Sure wish we could find some organized way to get all us horse people who are very concerned about this confusing new mandate addressed and clarified, I cannot believe it was the intention of the legislators to put such an unnecessary mandate in place. However, then again, I live in California where they are now trying to ban drinking straws, so who knows,
      But, bottom line, we need to organize so our voices can be heard.

      Karen
      January 26, 2018, @ 6:24 pm Reply
    • How is this rule going to affect the horseshoers who travel? My shoer lives in VT, but travels all over – to PA, NJ, IL, and MO. This is going to ruin his business!

      Laurie Higgins
      January 31, 2018, @ 9:02 pm Reply
    • As a very small hobby farm, we show to support our breed and because we enjoy it. Showing out of state and possibly showing at our world show in Texas, this added expense would be detrimental to us being able to go, not to mention, horses can not stand in the trailer for 10 hour rest period, as it is we stop every 150-200 miles to give them a break, and it takes a few days to get to Texas from Oregon as it is. We already face some deyhadration and weight loss from horses not drinking well or eating well while on the trailer. Extending our trip because of these regulations would make this worse and we would arrive with sick horses. Government says they care for the welfare of animals. These regulations are not in the best interest of the equine industry. Or for the hard working people that barley can afford to show.

      Roberta Hardy
      February 1, 2018, @ 4:09 pm Reply
    • So if I understand right we now need a CDL to take our own horses to horse events that we enter into with our horses because we cross put of Oklahoma to Texas ,Arkansas,and Louisiana . .we haul with a new f250 pu and have a 3 slabt horse trailer with living quarters . Just wanting to know if I understood this right plus will have to put an ELD in the truck because we go more than 150 miles from home. And cross state lines . Please let me know if I’m understanding this all correctly. .

      Mike
      February 4, 2018, @ 1:58 am Reply
    • I’ve already been stopped by the Florida state police. I was pulling a three horse trailer with living quarters from Louisiana to Florida. The trooper didn’t even know the details for the new law. Said that all enclosed trailers- including horse trailers have to be inspected at the same facilities as semi rigs. So, if you haul a enclosed trailer for a race car, moving furniture, etc. be prepared to be pulled over and inspected. Fortunately I was only given a warning ticket.

      Jim Burton
      February 12, 2018, @ 9:04 pm Reply
    • YOu people that. Are crying about this law have been illegal for years. Be thankful dot has not been enforcing this law befor.
      It is your job to know the law stop whining!

      Frank
      February 17, 2018, @ 12:54 am Reply
    • All I see here, are people saying not fair because of my horse and ag ventures. I have horses and cattle operation too but that doesn’t pay the bills. I have my on business in which I have rental equipment that I have to move around the state of Texas which usually goes back and fourth across the state. Oil field to be exact but my business is not trucking. I just have to get my equipment where they need to use it. You can’t hire someone to haul for you because when the oilfield calls, you have to go right now. Let’s just be honest. Nobody in any industry or hobby or ag. Should have to have this mandate on them except maybe trucking companies hauling cargo for others long distances across state lines for profit. We have to stop trying to hide behind ag exemptions and stand up for every bodies rights not to be shook down by these ridiculous laws. It’s just a money grab on the working people because politicians know we’re to busy working to stand up against them while the people that have no ambitions to make their life better, are the ones that have time to scream and protest the most and that equals votes if they cater to them. We are the ones working hard to make our living and the money grubbing government wants it! I THOUGHT PRES. TRUMP WAS GOING TO STOP THIS MADNESS!!!!!

      John
      April 28, 2018, @ 10:25 pm Reply
    • I have an idea. Get a van to pull your bumper pull trailer.

      gonzo
      May 7, 2018, @ 4:01 am Reply
    • this is all madness, just another way to rule and regulate the honest hardworking people in this country. we are becoming a society of people that are ruled and regulated to death. I have shown horses for almost forty years and now have my grandsons starting to show. I have never had one incident on the highway involving my rig that I haul. I am not sure what I am going to do now. I have some health issues and had a kidney transplant, they probably will not issue me a cdl due to my health issues even though I am perfectly healthy now. this bs will probably end up shutting me down just because the government wants to take more money from john q public. as horse owners we need to band together and fight this bs all they way to Washington. our politicians seem to live in their own little world and do not give a sh#t about the every day working people whom all pay their outrageous paychecks

      john
      August 6, 2018, @ 5:40 pm Reply

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